DISQUS

Will Wilkinson: I Only Sleep With Cosmotarians

  • Anonymous Coward · 11 months ago
    A bit of research would trace this back directly to the great draft resistance rallies of the late 1960s; the buttons then read "I say yes to boys who say no".
  • Freddie · 11 months ago
  • Tim Lee · 11 months ago
    Great post Will.
  • "Mindles H. Dreck" · 11 months ago
    I only sleep with a Democrat. She's my wife.
  • webgrrl · 11 months ago
    Since you mention Robin Hanson's Politics Isn't About Policy, WW, I should point out that he did discuss the "I Only Sleep with Democrats" meme on his Facebook page a week or so before the election. We should probably get him to expand on that over on Overcoming Bias.
  • kraorh · 11 months ago
    Will,
    While I think their humor sometimes goes a little over the top, I thought I might mention the People's Cube's parody of the "I only sleep with Democrats" video and campaign. I think it's motivated by many of the same observations you have here, in that there's a suggestion that it doesn't actually make the campaigners or Democrats generally look all that great.

    Given that most of the women I've ever dated have been Democrats to some degree or another, I really hope that the statistics cited there aren't true... ;-)
  • Richard · 11 months ago
    I don't know. There are worse criteria being used for sexual selection.
    Liberal democracy facilitated mass advertising so has it only itself to blame?
    May the party with the most babies win!
  • Brian · 11 months ago
    Gee, I guess I won't be getting any STDs then or get to wake up with some dimwitted lunatic next to me. How will I go on?
  • Carol · 11 months ago
    Sheesh. It should be "I sleep ONLY with Democrats"! If they're saying they only sleep, and don't do the dirty, then it's kind of a shot, yes?
  • Sanjay · 11 months ago
    Stupid me, I heard the _Marketplace_ commentary this morning and liked it, but I hadn't read this yet. I demand a _Marketplace_ commentary which uses the (granted, kinda true) sentence, "But the best sex is dirty, dirty transgressive sex."
  • Freddy · 11 months ago
    As someone who is pretty into politics but has many friends who aren't, this sort of thing is only relevant to a small subset of the population. The type of woman who would ever follow this creed would have to be 1) very into politics 2) a very liberal Democrat 3) live enough of a liberal elite latte arugula bubble that she has never had a meaningful social interaction with someone whose views diverge significantly from hers. Number 3 is crucial because anyone who is at all open minded and dates different kinds of people knows that the stereotypes of our political opposites are usually untrue and that who you are attracted to is often very unrelated to their politics. In the end, this ad campaign will not decrease Republicans' chances of getting laid. However, it is highly entertaining and very fun to take way too seriously.
  • Larry W · 11 months ago
    A bit of advice, this video does not put Democrats in such a nice light. You have an attractive women who is a total slut who only sleeps with Democrats.

    Yeah that is a great image.
  • Daniel Ferreira · 7 months ago
    A slut? Well, there's your problem.
  • General Zod · 11 months ago
    I am the most politically astute person in my social circle therefore i only have sex with mys--oops I think I've said too much.
  • Cool Cal · 11 months ago
    I live in Los Angeles, so the dating pool is generally "progressive" as they say out here, and quite brackish. I have a copy of The Fountainhead on the top of the toilet, along with US Weekly, and some catalogs - bathroom reading. Not that I disparage Fountainhead, but Nathaniel Hawthorne, it ain't. So at a recent party, a guest came out of the john in sheer disgust, not at some wayward excretion, but at the reading material. She grilled me as to why I would even possess a book by a "crypto-fascist" and if I had any others. Apparently the latest scandal sheet on Lindsay Lohan doing blow with Paris Hilton could not sully the porcelain altar nearly as egregiously as Ms. Rand's melodrama.

    And this used to be the Wild West.
  • Freddie · 11 months ago
    So the fact that I've demonstrated that the other side does this too doesn't change anyone's rhetoric around here?
  • Will Wilkinson · 11 months ago
    Freddie, I thought this was a neat example of the over-politicization of identity. The point is not partisan. But there is no Republican group running these kinds of ads online, or producing videos. So the parallel to one similarly-stupid Republican blog post isn't all that striking. And I got a link from NRO...
  • Oolon_Colluphid_Dem · 11 months ago
    Don't forget the site "Libertarian Hotties" (http://www.libhotties.com/). Because apparently there's an class of people spread out across all political spectrum that refuses to sleep with someone who differs from their ideology. Luckily those people rarely breed for just that reason.
  • nonpartisansexfiend · 10 months ago
    I see nothing there about anyone refusing to sleep with anyone.
  • Freddie · 11 months ago
    True.
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    I think the real idea is that one should sleep with those who respect one's rights as a sexual being. The conservative political movement is very into to controlling & restricting women's sexuality. The idea is that women should, therefore, withhold their sexuality from conservatives.
  • nobody in particular · 11 months ago
    Oh, don't be stupid, Atheist. We wimminz have no agency! We're just here to please teh menzes.
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    Right, women have agency. And this campaign, whether you agree with it or not, is asking women to use that agency, and boycott sex with men who don't support reproductive rights.
  • Nimed · 7 months ago
    Exactly.
  • Neel Krishnaswami · 11 months ago
    Freddie, why should it? The point is that 1) it views politics as a matter of tribal affiliation, 2) that women's bodies and sexuality are viewed as a resource at the disposal of the tribe, to be used as a prize to keep the coalition together. These are fundamentally illiberal, anti-feminist ideas.

    If you switch "Democrat" to "Republican", and "SEIU" to "Chamber of Commerce", Will's argument would remain essentially unchanged, because illberal ideas don't become good just because they are bipartisan.
  • webgrrl · 11 months ago
    Bingo Neel!

    "women's bodies and sexuality are viewed as a resource at the disposal of the tribe, to be used as a prize to keep the coalition together"

    And this kind of structure is our heritage from evolution - monkey society just ain't pretty. This is the insight that covers not just IOSwDs, but also honor killings and the Middle-Eastern practice of using young girls to settle certain debts of justice too.

    What is so painful about IOSwD is that women buy into it, as if they don't get it - I guarantee any skirt wearing said T-shirt would immediately condemn the Pakistani tribal case of trading 5 little girls to "atone" for an accidental manslaughter of a first-born son, but swear to you that her slogan was just "irony."

    As for the "denial of pleasure" WW mentions in his post, that would take you back to Michael Vassar's musings on the "strange shortage of sex."
  • J · 11 months ago
    Missing the point much?

    It's not that sex is being 'promised' to liberal guys -- I don't think there's a single girl out there that would see this and hook up with a guy she normally wouldn't. It's about being selective in who you hook up with.

    I've found myself practicing this in my private life somewhat, without really thinking about it. Libertarians, liberals, conservatives, sure, as long as they're on the right side of the most important issues. Because, frankly, once you think about it, fucking someone who's perfectly happy to get their jollies but doesn't want loving gay couples to get married is a huge fucking turn-off.

    It's about being more selective, not about 'rewarding' anyone sexually for their politics. Your poorly thought-out comparison is little more than unhinged whining.
  • nobody in particular · 11 months ago
    "Any skirt wearing that T-shirt".... Mmm, internalized misogyny. "Please, boiz, like me! I'm not one of those nasty mean feminazis! I'll suck up to you an' all! I know I'll never be as good as you, but can I at least be considered better than all those other intellectually and morally inferior split-tails??"
  • webgrrl · 11 months ago
    Pretty funny, nobody. Especially if you knew me.

    The politicization of the whole situation is such that last summer a liberal called me an "anti-feminist libertarian dinosaur," while in another conversation a proud Sarah Palin supporter called me "worse than Gloria Steinem."

    Meanwhile, on one of Kerry Howley's bh.tv threads, a commenter patiently explained to me that I wasn't actually a twist at all. Yesterday I was credited with inventing "Hansonian feminism."

    Now today I'm a misogynist. Thank goodness these brickbats won't really mess up my hair and I can keep dancing backwards in my 5-inch heels.
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    Funny how, when someone attacks you on the intert00bz, you suddenly and magically transform into the thing that they hate the most.
  • Freddie · 11 months ago
    Right!
  • allswell · 11 months ago
    These girls are more likely to be interested in your car registration than in your political registration. A slut is a slut and the left is proud to have them.
  • J · 11 months ago
    Remind me, again, why you're demonizing people who enjoy sex and lots of it?

    Also, why are you limiting this to women? It's clearly a campaign encouraging both men and women to be selective, so why are you falling back on old-school women-are-sluts-men-are-neutral bullshit?
  • nobody in particular · 11 months ago
    Thank you for reminding me why I'm a liberal. According to reich wingers, if I enjoy sex and am not ashamed to state it, I'm a slut. Especially to the boyz I won't fuck. "OMG YOU LIEK SECKS Y WONT U SLEEP WITH ME?!" Because I'm not a public utility, asshole, and I don't owe sex to men I don't want, any more than men owe sex to women they find unattractive.

    But then again, as I said above, wingnuts don't grasp the idea that women are full human beings with agency.
  • Nimed · 7 months ago
    You're just legitimated the mark.

    But you're right, the left is proud to have women who like to have sex. I hope you enjoy your hand.
  • Greg D · 11 months ago
    You have not demonstrated that "the other side does this too." You have demonstrated that there are people who don't date outside of their political comfort zones on both sides of the aisle, not that there are enough right-leaning ones to make it worth launching a national advertising campaign to appeal to them.

    To the woman you linked, it's a personal choice about personal taste in companions. In the advertising campaign, it's a moral imperative and an organized campaign to "blue-ball" non-Democrats.
  • J · 11 months ago
    ""not that there are enough right-leaning ones to make it worth launching a national advertising campaign to appeal to them.""

    A "national advertising campaign"? It's a fucking shoestring operation. It's probably a dozen people and their friends that got together. Democrats tend to enjoy making funny youtube videos more than Republicans. Half the participants in *making* the video probably got laid in doing so, or were already friends, so I doubt they had to be terribly persuaded.

    The idea that this is somehow indicative of the relative proportions on each side who factor in politics into their dating fails Statistics 101.

    Your false dichotomy between "organized" and "personal" fails in the age of YouTube.
  • J · 11 months ago
    Also, it's even easier when you factor in the huge concentration of liberals and democrats in the creative fields. I live in Los Angeles, and nearly every person I know in a creative field is liberal; they've got all the equipment lined up for doing professional-quality video, sound, post-production, etc. at their disposal for work, so it's second nature for them to whip up something like this as a hobby.

    Here's a clue-by-four: the No on Prop 8 campaign in California had way better viral marketing, production, etc. than the Yes on 8 people, because all the creatives were supporting No on 8... and yet, Yes on 8 still won.

    It's almost like the quality of their youtube videos didn't reflect the divide in the population or something!
  • Cool Cal · 11 months ago
    'Round these parts, you are asked who you voted for in '08 at a cocktail party. If you value fornication, you'd best answer right - uh, I mean left.
  • John Skookum · 11 months ago
    Glad I'm already married, so I could tell them I voted for Sarah Palin.
  • Austin · 11 months ago
    Gives new meaning to being bi-partisan!

    Whatever happened to screwing the opposition?
  • Room 237 · 11 months ago
    Liberal women are easy.
  • J · 11 months ago
    Is being 'easy' a 'bad thing'? Do 'good girls' not do 'that sort of thing'?
  • Bob · 11 months ago
    My hubby is Republican and I sleep with him. Or is gay sex off the table?
  • x. trapnel · 11 months ago
    Nice post; I've been annoyed by those ads for precisely the liberal-feminist reasons Neel identifies. Way to be the party of feminism, folks. Gah.

    On the other hand, the "dating intolerantly" thing is a different kettle of fish entirely. If we're talking about serious relationships, and we're talking about people who see themselves as genuinely politically engaged, whether as activists or thinkers or pundits or whatever, being with an ideological enemy strikes me as bizarre. You have to simultaneously care deeply for your partner, which I take to entail wishing them success in their chosen projects, while believing that those very projects are actively pernicious, and that your partner's triumph would make the world a worse place. You could take your beliefs seriously, or your partner seriously, but not both, I think.

    (But yes, if we're just talking hot sex, Will is entirely right about the transgressive thing.)
  • Will Wilkinson · 11 months ago
    x. Agreed. It's no accident that Kerry and I are ideological twins.
  • sk · 11 months ago
    Well, if the personal is political after all, then this all makes perfect sense.
  • Steve · 11 months ago
    I had to laugh reading this. I'm a conservative in NYC who sort of comes across as a left-winger (by dress, interests, hang outs, etc) and whenever I hear a girl say (or write on a dating personals site) that she'd only date or sleep with Democrats I give myself license to lie through my teeth and make it a mission to sleep with her. I know, I'm going to hell for it, but I like to think there's at least an ounce of redemption in the fact that I haven't told them I'm a Republican after the fact.
  • B_ · 11 months ago
    "And an “I Only Sleep With Democrats” shirt on a guy might turn out to be a great way to pick up Republican lasses."

    One of the more satisfying "conquests" of my days when I was young and coarse enough to consider them such was a self-proclaimed hard-core Republican who once told me that I was the most liberal guy she had ever dated. (Which I found pretty shocking, since I considered myself a libertarian even then.)

    It was terribly fun. And the relationship sucked.

    Anyway, I only sleep with fiercely apolitical Canadians since I married one...
  • Paul O'Pinion · 11 months ago
    Does James Carville wear one of those shirts?
  • L2P · 11 months ago
    whenever I hear a girl say (or write on a dating personals site) that she'd only date or sleep with Democrats I give myself license to lie through my teeth and make it a mission to sleep with her.

    We're all glad you're busy fapping while cruising internet porn whenever "a naked woman" and "your life" have anything to do with each other.

    But in case Will was wondering why "I only sleep with Democrats" seems like sound advice to many women, he need look no further than his own commenters.
  • Hucbald · 11 months ago
    I don't sleep with girls who have tattoos. I think that de facto eliminates all the libtard chicks.

    Besides, conservative chicks have higher IQ's and therefore more vivid imaginations and, again, therefore better senses of eros. The best sex is not dirty and transgressive, it's almost painfully slow and erotic, and much, if not most, of it takes place in the mind.

    I'll avoid the sex versus lovemaking tangent, except to say that it makes all the difference.
  • J · 11 months ago
    Man, with lines like "the best sex with me is almost painfully slow"... just tell the girls where to sign on the dotted line, and you'll have knickers droppin' in no time!
  • rea · 11 months ago
    LYSISTRATA
    Now tell me, if I have discovered a means of ending the war, will you all second me?
    CLEONICE
    Yes verily, by all the goddesses, I swear I will, though I have to put my gown in pawn, and drink the money the same day.
    MYRRHINE
    And so will I, though I must be split in two like a flat-fish, and have half myself removed.
    LAMPITO
    And I too; why to secure peace, I would climb to the top of Mount Taygetus.
    LYSISTRATA
    Then I will out with it at last, my mighty secret! Oh! sister women, if we would compel our husbands to make peace, we must refrain...
    CLEONICE
    Refrain from what? tell us, tell us!
    LYSISTRATA
    But will you do it?
    MYRRHINE
    We will, we will, though we should die of it.
    LYSISTRATA
    We must refrain from the male altogether....
  • tgb1000 · 11 months ago
    Nothing like a sex thread to bring out the creep factor in the comment thread. (Though kudos to rea for bringing the Aristophanes.) For the record, I think you are reading WAY too much into that ad campaign.
  • nobody in particular · 11 months ago
    Indeed. Chock full of misogynist libertards and reich-wingers who drool and slut-shame out of opposite sides of their mouths.
  • Runcible · 11 months ago
    I only claim to be a Democrat when I want to get laid, so it's all good.
  • RollTide · 11 months ago
    You're right about dirty, dirty transgressive sex. At college I was labeled an enemy of the SDS and was a charter member of the pro life group there. My girlfriend was a vegan feminist who founded and chaired the pro choice group.

    The sex was wonderful. I felt very vindicated knowing radical feminists, deep down, really wanted to be pinned down and on occasion tied to the bed by the man.
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    This analysis is a bit odd to me. Mr. Wilkinson sees identity politics as the driving movtivation for this campaign. I agree that there's a flavor of identity politics to the whole thing, but it seems to me that this campaign is better understood as a boycott, and is being put forward for the same reasons that boycotts usually are.
  • Will Wilkinson · 11 months ago
    I try to write a post showing how stupid and narrow partisan politics makes people, and people show up to demonstrate that that's even stupider and narrower than I had imagined. Thank you all.
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    We aim to please, Will
  • atheist · 11 months ago
    We aim to please, Will.
  • Dain · 11 months ago
    Ha! That girl is from the show Scream Queens on VH1. She struck me as pretty Orange County Republican. Her beef with the black girl on the show was classic.

    She ain't no Democrat.
  • tgb1000 · 11 months ago
    I did think it was funny when the Republican, just about to get it on, pauses to make sure his shoes are neatly lined up.
  • Horatio · 11 months ago
    I doubt many women will actually follow through with this; most male Democrats can't compete with Republicans in the masculinity department. It's the individual that matters, but I save time by generalizing based on a woman's political affiliation. Democrat girls tend to be pump and dump material, but all of my serious girlfriends have been Republicans. Republicans tend to better looking and make better partners. I am a libertarian.
  • TC · 11 months ago
    Who cares?

    This is Democratic noise and I would say the same thing on the other side.

    I am also a Republican.
  • Sam · 11 months ago
    Some things in life are just asymmetrical. As PJ O'Rourke supposedly remarked, "No one has ever dreamed of being tied to a bed and ravished by a liberal."
  • webgrrl · 11 months ago
    Another case in point of how little PJ knows. Sean Connery has long supported the left-of-center Scottish National Party. Sean. (fans herself) Connery. Yes and yes and more than ever yes.
  • John Skookum · 11 months ago
    Heh heh! Yes, remember ten or fifteen years ago some flaky hippy college came out with a code of conduct that required a verbal request and consent for EVERY new thing you wanted to do. "may I touch your breast? May I touch your vulva? May I put my penis in your vagina?" etc. After six months of that I think even the hairiest-legged womyns studies major would be dreaming of being bent over the nearest armchair and taken with her arms pinned behind her.
  • Chester White · 11 months ago
    As PJ O'Rourke supposedly remarked, "No one has ever dreamed of being tied to a bed and ravished by a liberal."

    Not supposedly; it was in one of his books, which I have on my shelf. He was discussing the fantasy that many women have of being raped by a Nazi.

    And I win the Godwin Award.