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Is Childbirth National Service?

Started by Will Wilkinson · 9 months ago

In their recent Weekly Standard future of conservatism piece, Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam offer a few natalist policy suggestions to encourage more breeding here in the USA. For example:
Republicans might consider offering tuition credits for years spent rearing children, which could be ex ... Continue reading »

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  • Will - ever read The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood? It takes your title question to its logical conclusion.
  • Steve, No, I haven't. I'll give it a shot.
  • Will,

    Re: The Handmainds Tale - Don't waste your time. The book is, IMO, pedantic and annoying. Watch the movie instead - much less time spent, and exactly the same message.
  • Nice. You summed exactly how I feel about lots of things -- I think they're nice, but they don't need to be subsidized/controlled/regulated.
  • Will Wilkinson,

    Try:

    Koonz, The Nazi Conscience

    Koonz, Mothers in the Fatherland: Women, the Family and Nazi Politics

    Stepheson, Women in Nazi Germany
  • Governments already subsidize childbirth highly. "Free" K-12 schooling and subsidized higher education tuition and grants, free or subsidized day care, tax and Social Security benefits for stay-at-home spouses.
  • This is already policy. What is the child tax credit? $1000 per kid?
  • This is the inverse of China's "One child" policy, but substitutes social engineering instead of force.

    This sounds suspiciously democrat. Wouldn't a true conservative argue that the best way to encourage people to have more children would be to lower the average American's tax burden, and let nature take its course?
  • You talk about trying to maintain the public/private distinction. What, exactly, is marriage if not a massive intrusion of the public into the private?

    At some point, the government decided that A) people are going to get married and B) this is a good thing, and so they put their stamp of approval on it, and lavish people who get married with whatever benefits they could to dream up.

    In principle, this is no different than what Douhat and Salam are proposing, only replace "get married" with "have children".

    Having said that, I agree that they could indeed come up with a less creepy way of putting it.
  • Ok, am I the only one who isn't totally creeped out between this article and the Nazi's desire for the women to bear more children to support the Reich?

    Oh, and sorry for invoking Godwin's law, but this these similarities are creepy.
  • I like the idea of pro-family policy (as long as that includes a non-bigoted notion of the family).

    So would a childfree couple be thought of as a family? Guess not, from the rest of your post... you're not "really" part of a faaammmbleeee unless you've sprogged.
  • Australia introduced an incentive program last year, aimed at encouraging people to have more children. The family receives $2,300 for each child. The Treasurer said, when interviewed, "You should have..one for your husband, one for your wife, and one for your country."
  • I think parenthood is not state service, but it is national service. I elaborate on this point at http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/.
  • Thought you might like to see this. You're mentioned in it.

    http://www.livejournal.com/community/cf_hardcore/1165412.html
  • A world of six billion people and mass poverty is not in need of higher population. Our country already suffers from declining petroleum production, rising environmental maintenance costs, limited water resources, and massive trade deficits. Rising population threatens a lower standard of living for future Americans, more rapid environmental deterioration, greater competition for farmland and housing, even faster depletion of natural resources and, eventually, food shortages and higher risk of disease epidemics.

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