DISQUS

Will Wilkinson: New Cato Social Security Choice Paper

  • Protagoras · 4 years ago
    Here are two major problems with a means-tested safety net, as opposed to something more like current social security:

    1) History has shown that means-tested programs are extremely politically vulnerable. No doubt emphasizing this point is in line with your criticism of liberals as preferring a policy of deception, but I feel that there are limits to the extent to which one can ignore political reality when devising policies.

    Perhaps more importantly,

    2) Means-tested programs tend to generate perverse incentives. If people only get social security benefits when their savings are insufficient, then for people with a limited ability to save, means-testing gives them an incentive to save nothing at all (since what meager savings they could manage would be offset by reductions in their means-tested social security income). Being a liberal doesn't require being totally blind to the need to make certain people have incentives to be economically productive.
  • Javier · 4 years ago
    Means-tested programs tend to generate perverse incentives. If people only get social security benefits when their savings are insufficient, then for people with a limited ability to save, means-testing gives them an incentive to save nothing at all

    Exactly how is this different from the current structure of Social Security? As it now functions, Social Security discourages saving as well.
  • Will Wilkinson · 4 years ago
    Protagoras,

    I address both these points in the paper. Take a look at the paper for the citations, which are omitted here:

    [From the paper]

    But what about the argument that defenders
    of the status quo consider their trump card—
    namely, that a means-tested safety net would
    not attract sufficient public support to keep it
    properly maintained? Again, it bears repeating
    that this argument is basically an expression of
    contempt for the American electorate. It
    assumes, by welfare-liberal standards at least,
    that most Americans are less generous and caring
    than whoever is making the argument.

    However insulting, is the argument correct? Is
    there any reason to believe that a decently funded
    safety net for retired Americans would be unable
    to maintain public support? Perhaps, 70 years
    ago, New Dealers had cause for concern about
    Americans’ rugged-individualist aversion to the
    “dole.” But today? Is disability insurance—
    which, unlike the old-age dimension of Social
    Security, goes only to people who have suffered a
    loss—unpopular? Unemployment insurance?
    How about the earned income tax credit? Or disaster relief for hurricane victims?

    Yes, it is true that the old Aid to Families with
    Dependent Children program attracted plenty of
    conservative ire, but AFDC lacked strong public
    support because of well-founded concerns about
    its perverse effects of encouraging dependence
    and illegitimacy. The program was in many ways
    too generous in terms of eligibility and benefits,
    as is now acknowledged by those who agree that
    the mid-1990s welfare reform has been a great
    success. But total means-tested non-AFDC/
    TANF welfare spending has increased significantly
    since the advent of Clinton’s plan to “end
    welfare as we know it.”

    Despite worries that means-tested assistance
    for the elderly poor would be underfunded,
    there is at least as much reason to believe that
    such programs would be overfunded. The political
    power of groups like the AARP, high voter
    turnout among the elderly, the desire of middle-aged workers not to be burdened by their parents’financial woes in retirement, and general
    sentimentality about the elderly poor could
    result in high benefit levels that would create
    perverse incentives for savings and retirement
    planning.

    A system of personal retirement accounts
    would minimize problems of perverse incentives
    by virtue of the fact that a means-tested safety
    net would serve only as an adjunct to the main
    retirement system based on mandatory private
    savings. Absent a requirement to set aside money
    in personal accounts, a means-tested benefits
    program for retirees would create a “moral hazard”
    problem: workers would have an incentive
    to “game” the system and consume their
    incomes earlier rather than save sufficiently for
    retirement. Well-designed personal retirement
    accounts funded over workers’ careers, however,
    would simultaneously reduce the moral hazard
    problem and, by ensuring that workers have
    accumulated assets, diminish the likelihood that
    retirees would require assistance in old age.
  • Will Wilkinson · 4 years ago
    Sorry about the screwy formatting...
  • monkyboy · 4 years ago
    I see the usual "noble lies" in this paper, among them:

    Even though Social Security is structured almost identically to whole life insurance, it really isn't insurance.

    Workers in 1935 had a small chance of reaching retirement age, even though 60% of them did, and lived 12 years after retiring on average.

    The noble lie Cato and its Wall Street masters are selling is putting away a few percent of your income will take care of you in retirement.

    Putting away 4% of your income for 25 years get you...one year of salary in the bank. Even with 3% above inflation interest applied to these savings...you won't even have 2 years of income saved after 25 years.

    The real road to wealth in America is a high income...but the poorest 80% of Americans haven't seen a gain in income in 25 years.

    The only people who will get rich under the CATO plan are the Wall Street brokers who will get fees for handling the accounts and the wealthiest 20% of Americans who currently hold 96% of all corporate shares...

    Even if Wall Street gets their lackeys to pass a bill that provides for private accounts, there is no guarantee these accounts won't be taxed or opened up to people in times of need...

    Public opinion is running overwhelmingly against the privitization of SS...give it up Will.
  • Will Wilkinson · 4 years ago
    Thank you for your support.
  • 3.14159 · 4 years ago
    Putting away 4% of your income for 25 years get you...one year of salary in the bank. Even with 3% above inflation interest applied to these savings...you won't even have 2 years of income saved after 25 years.

    Um, ok, so maybe you shouldn't retire at 45 then. But save 12% (as in the same percentage forcibly taken via the regressive SS tax) for 40 years and you end up with over 9 times your salary. Increase the savings to 15% and bump the return to a still conservative 4% and you end up nearly 15 times your salary, almost enough to live off the interest indefinitely.

    But forget all that math stuff, let's say you're right and only the wealthy can afford to save for their own retirement. In that case, we need a progressive system that transfers wealth from the rich to the poor and middle class, and as Will has noted, Social Security doesn't do that. Its net effect is to transfer wealth between generations, but not between classes. And yet you and the left fervently oppose changes that would actually make the system progressive.

    Public opinion is running overwhelmingly against the privitization of SS

    Public opinion is also running against the theory of evolution. I guess Kansas has the right idea.
  • monkyboy · 4 years ago
    Thank you for pointing out how pointless the Cato and Republican private account scam is, pi.

    For your next lesson, calculate the fees Wall Street will make by managing 127,000,000 new, government-mandated retirement plans...with minimal oversight, of course.
  • MnZ · 3 years ago
    monkyboy,

    You are basically saying that people with average income cannot afford to save for retirement.

    If that is the case, then what are our options for allowing them to retire? Transfers from rich people in each age cohort will not work. It is mathematically impossible to raise people above the average level through redistribution. Thus, you are left with taxation of the other age cohorts.

    However, that assumes that the other age cohorts are large enough and wealth enough to support the retirees.
  • Geoff Dodd · 2 years ago
    Great article, Will. So there's no real redistribution taking place, for example from rich to poor. And I agree that helping non-savvy investors to become good investors does in effect integrate them better into the financial systems of today.