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Your intolerance in this regard is striking. Such satire may bring solidarity to you and like-minded souls. But your satire is self-congratulatory...instead I suggest you try to persuade those moms in Utah, tell them of their false consciousness. See if they listen. Write comments on their blogs. Set up lectures in Salt Lake City. Show them that their lives are wasted, but show them in person. Say it to their face. The so called culture wars are won on the battle field. Otherwise you come across as a plaintive, whining elitist, a literary gentleman with a seat in the grandstands, unwilling to enter the fray below.
Because I spent two summers of my twenties giving them tours and the fake smiliness gets pretty funny and then pretty wearying.
I would be happy to go to Salt Lake City and argue that the expectations and pressures of Mormon culture lead large numbers of women (and men, but mostly women) to squander their potential and adjust themselves to diminished lives. It's true, and I'd argue it loud and proud. That said, I don't doubt that Mormons are a genuinely happy lot. I think the culture is incredibly healthy in many other ways, and that they do a great deal right. And I also happen to know that they're inclined to put a bit of frosting on top.
Also, either this already is the fray or you are wandering around in the grandstands.
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I believe it is quite hubristic of you to suggest that you are so enlightened and that Mormons are "squandering their potential" by choosing to use their resources differently than others in society. In my mind nothing can be more rewarding than taking part in the development of a human being. I admit that I am Mormon, and therefore maybe I have been too “brainwashed” to know what “really matters in life.” Obviously, you think differently, and I respect your right to your opinion. However, just because others choose to locate on a different point on the production possibility frontier doesn't make them less productive nor does it make them any less rational than you would consider yourself to be.
I’d like to analyze your comments from a positive rather than a normative perspective. From an economic point of view the division of family labor actually makes quite a bit of sense. Utah has fared much better than most states in the country despite the unmeasured home production which is not included in estimates of Gross State Product. It is hard to argue against this model on efficiency grounds relative to the rest of the country. Let’s assume that a child that is raised primarily by a stay-at-home parent will grow up healthier in many ways. This may be an issue of contention, but I do not believe that there is any evidence to the contrary. (The evidence I have seen suggests that children are raised in daycare (preschool) often enter grade school perform better initially than home-raised children. However, the home-raised children quickly converge and there is some evidence that the daycare children act up more. Much remains to be done on this issue.) Given the outcome from a state like Utah with a significant portion of stay-at-home parents, I believe the anecdotal evidence should be somewhat convincing. Although no one likes to point this out, economically it makes sense in some cases to divide labor between home production and out-of-home production. To suggest that there is no trade off between the two is just bad economics. The reason why this trade off is taboo is due to the fact that the stay-at-home parent is often—if not usually—a woman.
I will dare claim that a woman will generally have a comparative advantage in child rearing. This does not suggest that they are less productive outside the home. In fact, they very well may be more productive than the man working outside the home in the majority of cases. But anyone that understands comparative advantage knows that just because one has an absolute advantage in the production of one good does not mean that it would be more efficient for him/her to produce that good. What matters is relative advantage. Let’s say that a woman generally is twice as productive as a man at rearing children. (I obviously am making this number up. In reality I do not believe the advantage to be so significant. I use this number for simplicity. But it would seem to me ridiculous to think that a woman would not have at least a slight advantage in child-rearing activities. I will admit that this advantage has possibly weakened through time due to technology, ability to formula feed, and other factors; but I still believe that there is an advantage regardless of how politically incorrect of a statement it may be.) For the woman to work outside the home, she would have to be more than twice as productive at production outside the home. Indeed, this is probably the case in some situations which is why often the father will stay at home (even in many LDS homes). However, it is less likely that women will be relatively more productive at out-of-home production, even if they are always more productive in absolute terms. The reason why it is such a prevalent choice is because total consumption and production of the father and mother is much greater through the division of labor when both spouses place a significant amount of weight on the family as part of their utility function. In short, both benefit through a voluntary contract. This to me is not “squandering potential”; rather it is self interest “rightly understood.” It puzzles me why someone who places so much value on individual freedom would act so condescending towards other individuals’ choices just because they do not jive with your own value judgments.
When teaching comparative advantage, I often use the example of John Stockton and Karl Malone. Any good basketball fan, knows that John Stockton had the scoring ability to average more than 20 points a game, possibly 25, if he reduced average in assists. Scoring would have gotten him much more individual attention, possibly an MVP award. However, he understood that it was in his and the team’s interest for him to pass the ball more since Karl Malone clearly had the comparative advantage at scoring. Was John Stockton “squandering [his] potential” or was he merely acting in his own self interest given his desired objectives?
There is significant value to what a parent produces at home. You might not think so, but do you not agree that value is subjective? So go ahead. Go to Utah, and try and convince these women that they are misguided and selling themselves short. However, I think you know that your time could be used much more efficiently elsewhere. For instance, how about fighting against the greater threat to your libertarian convictions, the Fair Pay Act, which will artificially increases the wage for women and effectively increase the opportunity cost for women staying at home. I think that we would both agree that if more women are to enter the workforce, it will be better for them to do so due to actual market conditions rather than government-induced distortions.
Sincerely,
Nathan Ashby
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/03/eveni...
I don't wanna go
If Heaven ain't alot like Detroit
I just a soon stay home
If they ain't got no Eight Mile
Like they do up in the D
Just send me to Hell or Salt Lake City
It would be about the same to me
It would be about the same to me
You have a plot for inequality?
Whatever, I'm moving to Utah.
raimo1@hot.ee
HEDGE-FOND
Die Kapitalabflüsse gestalteten sich in der Branche in Europa und den Vereinigten Staaten allerdings sehr unterschiedlich: Während amerikanische Hedge-Fonds in großem Umfang juristische Sperren nutzten, die eine sofortige Rückzahlung von Anlagegeld an die Kunden beschränkten oder hinauszögerten (Gates), ist dies bei europäischen Hedge-Fonds weniger üblich. Auch gibt es in Europa mehr Dachfonds, in die Privatinvestoren investieren. Diese hatten die erste Kündigungswelle bei Hedge-Fonds im Herbst 2008 ausgelöst. Die Kapitalabflüsse aus Hedge-Fonds waren daher in der zweiten Jahreshälfte vor allem in Europa relativ hoch. Die Mittel europäischer Hedge-Fonds schrumpften nach Einschätzung von Morgan Stanley um 25 bis 30 Prozent.
In den Vereinigten Staaten beliefen sich die Mittelabflüsse zunächst „nur“ auf 15 bis 20 Prozent. Dies erklärt, warum der weltweite Verband der Hedge-Fonds, die Alternative Investment Management Association (AIMA), kürzlich bekanntgab, dass das Anlagekapital der 1200 bei der AIMA registrierten Mitglieder jetzt zum Großteil von institutionellen Investoren gehalten werde und nicht mehr von vermögenden Einzelpersonen, wie dies früher der Fall gewesen war.
I thought we agreed then that the big lesson was declining returns on money for happiness?
(Maybe applicable as knuckleheads say they'll make sure they earn $248K and not $250K under Obama.)
As a Mormon dad myself, I'll vouch for the fact that the "mommy blogs" can be pretty over-the-top and there probably is a bit of a culture of being (or acting?) happy because you're supposed to be, but I'd say that's pretty minimal. However, even if that's true, I don't think it necessarily follows that those moms who study physics would be happier as physicists than as moms. I also don't think that it's obvious that being a mom is less living up to your potential than being a physicist or any other profession, or that it leads to a "diminished life," to use your wording. I can't think of many professions that are as varied as parenting or as rewarding.
The statement seems consistent with women assigning an appropriate value to domestic labor. Is it self-evident that a physics career is necessarily more fulfilling than motherhood?
Sheesh! Women are so defensive.
Coincidence, or deep truth...?
Unless the survey reads - "Are you on fire?"
The data suggest otherwise. The only component on which Utah is above average (conditioned on its overall Wellness Index) is Work Quality. On the rest, including Emotional Wellness and Life Expectation, Utah is average or below average.
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Is this true of other cultures? Take out "Mormon" and try "academic" or "professional" or "farming" or "arts." Most cultures have ridiculous aspects that wear on people after a while. How many people who go to law school end up "squandering their potential"? What about people who enter medicine or politics? I think these cultures hardly ever deliver what people hope they will. That's life.
The key difference seems to be that Mormons "adjust themselves." The fact that Mormons gloss over those difficulties and try not to bitch about them too much seems admirable, in a way.
Nothing's worse that listening to a rich lawyer moan about how he should have been a novelist. Except maybe listening to a novelist moan about being broke.
Seriously. Wouldn't the world be a lot better if everybody just stopped bitching so much? Mormon women make some trade-offs and accept them. I think libertarian-minded folks might find something refreshing in that.
And that scatter plot has a positive correlation, but not a real impressive one.
All that said, the happiest periods of my life have been when I was living my Mormon faith to the fullest...and yes, I felt pretty chipper.
# Affordable fruits and vegetables
# Enough money for food
# Enough money for shelter
# Enough money for healthcare
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So they use wealth as a metric of happiness, and you take the result to mean that there is a correlation between happiness and wealth...
http://www.ahiphiwire.org/WellBeing/Display.asp...
Since this study is based on self-reporting, I suggest that an equally valid conclusion that might be drawn from its findings is that Utah is the state where residents are least likely to complain.
BTW, I had "issues" with Utah, moved away for good in 1986 and never looked back.
I may not agree with everything the Mormon Culture values, but it's entirely reasonable to believe that living the way they do could offer better returns to happiness than living in Greenwich Village (or Greenwich, CT) and trying to keep up with the Joneses.
I think you have missed the point with your graph of happiness against wealth. The point is not that being richer doesn't make you happier - it is that absolute wealth doesn't make you happier (above a certain minimum line). If the income of West Virginia doubled over the next 5 years but the income of the rest of the USA tripled, you wouldn't expect to see people getting happier in West Virginia.
The upshot of this is that if you want more happy people you should focus on inequality rather than absolute wealth. Obviously there are also non-income related factors. But i liked the bit about the Mormons
That said, I've known Mormon women who were outstanding neuro-ophthalmologists, toxicologists, pediatric surgeons, academic professors, etc, and were phenomenal mothers at the same time.
After spending the last ten years on the East Coast, I agree that people in Utah are happier. They are much less neurotic than easterners, and are almost completely free of the strange, obsessive fear of being "disrespected" that seems to dominate the lives of so many in the East Coast cities where I've worked.
There are two reasons why this could be happening:
• Those who live in the sun have become immune to the Vitamin D from the sun
• Those in colder, more wintery places, make up for the happiness when the sun comes out, and appreciates more - also perhaps go on holiday more to the sun, maybe.
That said, I've always been very content at my Connecticut life, as most people around me are, I suspect. I think it's just common for us evil liberal northeasterners here to complain about many aspects of life to those who visit, but then when asked the inevitable "Why don't you move?" we say that we still kind of like it here.
Call it the Woody Allen effect: content to live out life's miseries, secretly enjoying all thrown our way.
That's an argument for looking at revealed preferences over reported happiness.
A bunch of non-Mormon's must be awfully happy with their quiet neighbors.
Also, scientists have shown: complaining makes you sad: http://www.happiness-project.com/happiness_proj...
And pretending to be happy will make you happy: http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/happinessproje...
Also, if any of you actually KNEW any Mormons, you would discover there is an exceptionally interesting demographic switch that is beginning to occur among older college educated Mormon women who's children have left home (which they do at a young age). Many are starting careers for the first time and our often OVERLY supported by their husbands. I guess if you don't smoke or drink, don't get divorced (a GIGANTIC drain on resources and happiness) and living healthily into your 80s you can do all sorts of things.
PS: Social researchers please check this out because I have noticed this anecdotely but don't have stats. And I'm a writer so I'm not gonna do it. :)
(I can tell you I'm much happier outside of Utah than I was inside of it. But you know, maybe it was all that sinning I was doing inside of Utah. Certainly it couldn't have anything to do with condescending Priesthood holders telling me that I had natural potential to raise children and should not have a career and that I should get married as soon as possible and have kids without waiting to see if I would be financially stable and that I would know real happiness by having kids.)