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  • GilM · 1 year ago
    This "debate" from Reason three years ago among Milton Friedman, John Mackey, and T.J. Rodgers is probably worth checking out.
  • GU · 1 year ago
    Milton Friedman:

    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertari...

    It should be noted that most corporations have listed in their charters, the mission of maximizing profits for their shareholders. Non-profitable CSR (e.g. charitable giving) would seem to directly violate the corporate charter. The "business judgment rule" prevents directors and management from being liable for such indiscretions though.
  • GU · 1 year ago
    If you want to read some academic scholarship on CSR, Corporate Social Responsibility through an Economic Lens by Reinhardt, Stavins & Vietor is a great place to start.

    http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.ns...
  • Lee · 1 year ago
    I'm a big Milton Friedman fan, but I think that he's just plain wrong on this. The last sentence of this post by Matthew Yglesias captures the best objection: "the 'strong' anti-CSR position outlined by Milton Friedman and others doesn't make much sense and actually seems blind to the non-coercive genius of capitalism."

    He links to this post by Brad DeLong, which is also very good.
  • GilM · 1 year ago
    And, of course, there's the choral version of Friedman on CSR and school choice.

    And, there's lots of stuff by Stephen Bainbridge. Including this paper.
  • Fat Knowledge · 1 year ago
    First, let me say that I love that scene in Rocky IV.

    The link to the Economist debate goes to YouTube, I think that is an error.

    On the CSR debate, a lot of it comes down to how you handle externalities. Those that don't believe in CSR believe that the government should handle them and businesses should just play by the rules that the government sets. Those that do believe in CSR think that corporations (which really means investors, employees and customers) should "internalize the externalities" and deal with them directly even if that means lower profits, lower salaries or higher prices.

    Two posts you might find helpful: The Economist Doesn't Get CSR and the investment section of Buddhist Economics.
  • webgrrl · 1 year ago
    You'll want to research both sides for the best arguments: When Principles Pay is the new hot book on the one side.
  • bjk · 1 year ago
    Warren Buffett has interesting things to say about corporate philanthropy.

    www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1987.html

    A recent survey reported that about 50% of major American
    companies match charitable contributions made by directors
    (sometimes by a factor of three to one). In effect, these
    representatives of the owners direct funds to their favorite
    charities, and never consult the owners as to their charitable
    preferences. (I wonder how they would feel if the process were
    reversed and shareholders could invade the directors' pockets for
    charities favored by the shareholders.) When A takes money from B
    to give to C and A is a legislator, the process is called
    taxation. But when A is an officer or director of a corporation,
    it is called philanthropy. We continue to believe that
    contributions, aside from those with quite clear direct benefits
    to the company, should reflect the charitable preferences of
    owners rather than those of officers and directors.




    www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1993.html

    Berkshire's practice in respect to discretionary philanthropy
    - as contrasted to its policies regarding contributions that are
    clearly related to the company's business activities - differs
    significantly from that of other publicly-held corporations.
    There, most corporate contributions are made pursuant to the wishes
    of the CEO (who often will be responding to social pressures),
    employees (through matching gifts), or directors (through matching
    gifts or requests they make of the CEO).

    At Berkshire, we believe that the company's money is the
    owners' money, just as it would be in a closely-held corporation,
    partnership, or sole proprietorship. Therefore, if funds are to be
    given to causes unrelated to Berkshire's business activities, it is
    the charities favored by our owners that should receive them.
    We've yet to find a CEO who believes he should personally fund the
    charities favored by his shareholders. Why, then, should they foot
    the bill for his picks?

    Let me add that our program is easy to administer. Last fall,
    for two months, we borrowed one person from National Indemnity to
    help us implement the instructions that came from our 7,500
    registered shareholders. I'd guess that the average corporate
    program in which employee gifts are matched incurs far greater
    administrative costs. Indeed, our entire corporate overhead is
    less than half the size of our charitable contributions. (Charlie,
    however, insists that I tell you that $1.4 million of our $4.9 million overhead is
    attributable to our corporate jet, The Indefensible.)

    Below is a list showing the largest categories to which our
    shareholders have steered their contributions.

    (a) 347 churches and synagogues received 569 gifts
    (b) 283 colleges and universities received 670 gifts
    (c) 244 K-12 schools (about two-thirds secular, one-
    third religious) received 525 gifts
    (d) 288 institutions dedicated to art, culture or the
    humanities received 447 gifts
    (e) 180 religious social-service organizations (split
    about equally between Christian and Jewish) received
    411 gifts
    (f) 445 secular social-service organizations (about 40%
    youth-related) received 759 gifts
    (g) 153 hospitals received 261 gifts
    (h) 186 health-related organizations (American Heart
    Association, American Cancer Society, etc.) received
    320 gifts

    Three things about this list seem particularly interesting to
    me. First, to some degree it indicates what people choose to give
    money to when they are acting of their own accord, free of pressure
    from solicitors or emotional appeals from charities. Second, the
    contributions programs of publicly-held companies almost never
    allow gifts to churches and synagogues, yet clearly these
    institutions are what many shareholders would like to support.
    Third, the gifts made by our shareholders display conflicting
    philosophies: 130 gifts were directed to organizations that
    believe in making abortions readily available for women and 30
    gifts were directed to organizations (other than churches) that
    discourage or are opposed to abortion.

    Last year I told you that I was thinking of raising the amount
    that Berkshire shareholders can give under our designated-
    contributions program and asked for your comments. We received a
    few well-written letters opposing the entire idea, on the grounds
    that it was our job to run the business and not our job to force
    shareholders into making charitable gifts. Most of the
    shareholders responding, however, noted the tax efficiency of the
    plan and urged us to increase the designated amount. Several
    shareholders who have given stock to their children or
    grandchildren told me that they consider the program a particularly
    good way to get youngsters thinking at an early age about the
    subject of giving. These people, in other words, perceive the
    program to be an educational, as well as philanthropic, tool. The
    bottom line is that we did raise the amount in 1993, from $8 per
    share to $10.
  • Greg N. · 1 year ago
    That seems like a pretty vague proposition. You could probably win by conceding most of the points the other side is thinking will be the most controversial (e.g., that businesses ought sometimes to engage in philanthropy), and limit the discussion to a narrower set of ideas.
  • Diane B. · 1 year ago
    This link could provide a diverting anecdote for you to entertain the audience with if the debate starts going south - it's an example of how business can get itself into trouble in the pursuit of vague notions such as "sustainability": http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomm....

    May the force be with you!
  • Micha Ghertner · 1 year ago
    For a libertarian pro-CSR approach, see Roderick Long's “Stakeholder Theory for Libertarians: A Rothbardian Defense of Corporate Social Responsibility.” [.doc]

    Also see John Hasnas' "The Social Responsibility of Corporations and How to Make It Work for You," [.pdf] 44 The Freeman 332 (1994) and "The Normative Theories of Business Ethics: A Guide for the Perplexed," 8 Business Ethics Quarterly 19 (1998) For a .pdf version of that last article, go here.

    My sympathies for having a debate partner with the last name "Crook," given the proposition and the current economic climate.
  • Bernhard Aubin · 1 year ago
    For a constitutional economics approach:

    "Corporate social responsibility and the ‘game of catallaxy’: the perspective of constitutional economics", by Viktor Vanberg.

    http://hdl.handle.net/10.1007/s10602-007-9022-4

    Abstract The paper examines the issue of corporate social responsibility (CSR) from the perspective of constitutional economics, focusing on the distinction between a political community’s constitutional choice of the rules of the “market game,” and the market players’ sub-constitutional choice of strategies within these rules. Three versions of CSR-demands are identified and discussed, a “soft,” a “hard”, and a “radical” version. The soft version is concerned with the issue of how “socially responsible” corporations ought to play the market game within existing rules. The hard version is about how the rules of the market ought to be changed in order to induce “socially responsible” corporate behavior. And the radical version questions the compatibility of CSR and the logic of the market game, calling in effect for adopting some alternative economic regime.
  • bb · 1 year ago
    Will you tell us after your reading which one do you think is the best one of the articles proposed in the comments?